governor romney says he will not increase the deficit with his tax cuts. he's saying he will not increase taxes on the middle class, so is he saying that if he cannot come up with enough loopholes and deductions, closing the deductions to pay for the tax cuts, which amount to about $5 trillion, that he will scale them back? >> what he has said, george, he is going to cut tax rates across the board by 20% and offset those cuts with eliminating deductions and loopholes for the upper income families. >> but there aren't enough deductions to pay for that. >> for middle class families. you can pay for it. there are six studies that say that you can do that. you can broaden the base and lower the rates. that would foster economic growth, and we've done that in the past. there's one study that says that you can -- that uses the word "assume" or "assumption" 68 times by a liberal think tank and that's what gibbs and others point to. >> if it does turn out that the deductions do not make up for the cost of the tax cuts, does governor romney say that he will scale b